Re: need help deciding something

by Malicruiser Mon May 17, 2010 10:33 pm

I replaced them for my own comfort, but I also picked up right as it was being pulled. It was pretty convenient cause I was able to get them to fire it up with everything including the muffles still on it and listen for a knock or a miss. The place I got my motor from isn't a salvage yard though, it's a auto parts recycling place. A lot better storage from weather just for the whole vehicles, all the parts that are pulled are tested, cleaned, tagged, shelved and organized. Really cool stuff. Especially if your like me, and your used to having to pull the parts yourself with no really garentee that they still work.

by bigredlaguna Tue May 18, 2010 12:17 am

Of course I really meant an auto parts recycling place. I am old enough that they are all junkyards to me. Very Happy

by Malicruiser Tue May 18, 2010 12:20 am

bigredlaguna wrote:Of course I really meant an auto parts recycling place. I am old enough that they are all junkyards to me.

All you guys on here keep saying how old you are. Is it really that uncomon to find hot rodders, and muscle car lovers around my age?

by bigredlaguna Tue May 18, 2010 12:26 am

by Malicruiser Tue May 18, 2010 12:28 am

bigredlaguna wrote:Yes

Well I'll just have to make a few converts out of my friends and then send them off to make more. Twisted Evil

by bigredlaguna Tue May 18, 2010 12:45 am

I may be exaggerating a little bit, cause there is actually quite a few around here that like to mod cars- it's just that all they have really been exposed to is 4-cyl. front wheel drive cars and they think that a Grand Am GT is fast.( My wife damn near made a boy in one cry the other day while doing errands in the Hemi Charger- He actually tried twice!! lol)

Modern V-8 cars are typically out of most youngster's price and they don't typically want an older car either.

by Laguna Budman Tue May 18, 2010 12:48 am

Agreed! To much FWD crap and not enough ol skool. Good to see you young guys gettin into this stuff.

by Malicruiser Tue May 18, 2010 12:50 am

I have noticed that most of my friends seem to think that they can't afford a classic car, and so go out and by an import for, LOL, as much as I paid for my Chevelle. Sometimes even more than! Rolling Eyes

by Laguna Budman Tue May 18, 2010 12:52 am

Teach them the way. Bowtie Brigade!

by Malicruiser Tue May 18, 2010 12:57 am

Hey it doesn't matter if it's a chevy, dodge, or Furd. As long as I can bring them over to the realm of REAL cars, it doesn't make a difference to me what they're driving. For now that is. Razz

by Laguna Budman Tue May 18, 2010 1:01 am

Probably true but I'm die hard CHEVY and I will preach that til the day I die. On a quiet night up here you can hear a Dodge rust and a Furd oval is like circling a problem. LOL

by Malicruiser Tue May 18, 2010 1:06 am

I'm not going to lie, I like ALL muscle cars. Yes dodge and Furd too, but I especially like chevy's and even more so odd year muscle. Those are the only ones that you actually have to do things the way the original hot rodders had to, hunt for interchangable parts and often make your own parts.

by Laguna Budman Tue May 18, 2010 1:11 am

Just keep buildin Chevy's and the rest will fall into place!

by 77malibu77 Tue May 18, 2010 1:14 am

Laguna Budman wrote:Agreed! To much FWD crap and not enough ol skool. Good to see you young guys gettin into this stuff.

appreciated for i am only 17 years old

by 77malibu77 Tue May 18, 2010 3:56 pm

ok so i went to look at the parts hes got all the push rods/ lifters and pistons
couldnt find any number on the heads there was a bunch of grease on it and where are the numbers on double hump heads
he has a crane energizer cam he will sell me for 75 and it has the new lifters in it
he has the fly wheel and crankshaft also and has the oil pan but has to look for it
he has a 2 bbl intake manifold also that comes with it which will help with the "good on gas" side of life
all this for 225 not a bad deal, and i would probably spend another 200 or so to rebuild what do you guys think?

by The Dude Tue May 18, 2010 4:37 pm

Don't think for a second that a 2bbl will help out gas mileage compared to an easy foot & a 4bbl carb. Think of it this way, if you don't open up the secondaries on a 4 barrel, you are actually running a smaller carburetor than those two large barrels on a 2bbl. A good Edelbrock 600 or a Quadrajet will yield way better results in both the power & gas mileage department. No comment on the "tune it daily" Holleys, LMAO!

....... as for the rest of your question, see my above posts. Seems like a lot of hassle for what was $150 & is now $225 to be getting a pile of parts that are disassembled. Again, just because it is a Crane Cam doesn't mean anything about what size it is & whether it has any use to you. Expect to pay for boring &/or honing, hot tank, new cam bearings, new main bearings, new rod bearings, balance job if none of it is marked, & possible other machine shop stuff that could pop up like the block &/or heads needing decked, heads needing rebuilt, etc. You could be looking at $200 for a machine shop, sure I'll buy that. Being inexperienced & buying whatever could also send you into over a grand at the machine shop as well. Weigh your options first & look around.

Here's what I turned up in your area (or should be anyways):

http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1746325838.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1741945962.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1739651973.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1736122929.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1734026620.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1714257122.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1719334953.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/1742047411.html

Also check out this site. RJ is awesome!
http://www.racingjunk.com/

by 77malibu77 Tue May 18, 2010 6:15 pm

well i know all of these parts work for the 350 and yeah obviously i would have to look at machining it im not that dumb
and the reason its 225 is cause 150 for everything except cam and 75 extra for cam
so if you cant add its 150+75=225 no mor no less
and thx rago but no thanks on the "lifting my spirits" part
i am not an idiot i took auto class i know what 80% of these parts are and how they work i just never actually put one to gether i am sorry i am the age i am and havent had time to think about rebuilding an engine myself while i still have the chance

by JB2wheeler Tue May 18, 2010 6:25 pm

77Malibu77, no one is poking fun at you for being young and inexperienced. If we come across like that, I apologize. You learn by doing, that is what this great country is based on. I have very little formal education and everything I have learned has been by doing it to learn how. After I got in industry the college guys would come in to run the comopany straight out of school and we would have to show them how to do everything. JB

by 77malibu77 Tue May 18, 2010 8:07 pm

lol there are those that are visual learners and those who learn by reading text
i am one that learns by doing too all you need is common sense and basic skill and you can do anything
and on the other hand rago I ALREADY HAVE MY MIND MADE UP
i am getting this motor it is out of a 80s or 90s dump truck that means it has an rv type cam in it right?

by JB2wheeler Tue May 18, 2010 8:26 pm

Not exactly. An RV cam means a lot of things, but a basic truck cam is not one of them. Really, an RV cam is a cam that is hotter than stock, but is profiled for torque versus horsepower and high RPMs. JB

by bigredlaguna Tue May 18, 2010 8:41 pm

Since this engine had a carburetor on it along with having been in a dump truck, I would plan on machining everything and budget accordingly as a worst case scenario. Since you are going for a budget-friendly build, if you have to bore .030 or less, then balancing isn't absolutely necessary unless you are getting pistons that are out of spec for weight.

Find the specs on the cam that was offered to you and let us know.

by 77malibu77 Tue May 18, 2010 8:45 pm

bigredlaguna wrote:Since this engine had a carburetor on it along with having been in a dump truck, I would plan on machining everything and budget accordingly as a worst case scenario. Since you are going for a budget-friendly build, if you have to bore .030 or less, then balancing isn't absolutely necessary unless you are getting pistons that are out of spec for weight.

Find the specs on the cam that was offered to you and let us know.

well i would like to use the pistons that came with it but would i need to change them though if i put a crane energizer cam in it or is that the lifters the reason why they come with the cam?

i ripped the label off the box does this help

100052
CHS-272 H10 ENRG.CAM & LIFTERS

by bigredlaguna Tue May 18, 2010 8:48 pm

If the bores are in good shape, you can reuse your pistons. It is entirely dependent upon how much wear your engine has. Only the machinist can tell you.

by bigredlaguna Tue May 18, 2010 8:56 pm

That cam would be on the big side for what you want in my opinion.

Here is a link to the specs

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRN-100052/

I would have no qualms about running this in a weekend cruiser.

by 77malibu77 Tue May 18, 2010 9:03 pm

yeahbut it might be a daily driver for a while
does that say its for a 454???

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