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need help deciding something
ok so i need help deciding what to go with for my malibu i need a motor for it dont no if i should go with a 350 0r 400, i have a 400th trans which is going to need to be rebuilt (400 bucks ) i would like to put it in but i will need a custom driveshaft or a regular one and shorten it, and will need different u joints or something
i am wanting it to be fuel efficient/but still go fast
id like to have a 400/400 what do you guys think
i am wanting it to be fuel efficient/but still go fast
id like to have a 400/400 what do you guys think
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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Thats a toss up. The 400 engine will give you more power, but not as good of gas milage. The 350 trans will give a touch more gas milage over the 400 trans. This is not a good question because the way the engine is built and other factors, such as axle ratio, has more bearing than the 350 to 400 issue. Have you thought about a 400 engine with a 350 trans? JB
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yeah i have thought of that too but was just trying to use what i already had you know.... unless i should just take the 350/350 out of my elky and move it to the malibu with the drive shaft and everything they should be same length
and then i could build up the 350 really nice and fast but idk thats a thought
i for sure am not going to keep the el camino so moving all that stuff to the malibu is a thought its already rebuilt and everything although sounds like one of the valves are knocking
what do you think of this jb
and then i could build up the 350 really nice and fast but idk thats a thought
i for sure am not going to keep the el camino so moving all that stuff to the malibu is a thought its already rebuilt and everything although sounds like one of the valves are knocking
what do you think of this jb
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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i have a sweet running 350 out of a monte. but i'm in Ohio.
if i dont sell it,i might try and find a cheap 81-88 monte to put it in for my oldest boy.
if i dont sell it,i might try and find a cheap 81-88 monte to put it in for my oldest boy.
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I would put the bigger engine in the heavier car, you need torque.
Mpg could acually be better with the 400 if you run the right combo ie cam, torque convertor ,gear etc.
Mpg could acually be better with the 400 if you run the right combo ie cam, torque convertor ,gear etc.
Lord Vader- G3GM Newbie
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A 2 door Malibu has a 4 inch shorter wheelbase than an Elky, driveshaft would be too long. It could be shortened. JB77malibu77 wrote:yeah i have thought of that too but was just trying to use what i already had you know.... unless i should just take the 350/350 out of my elky and move it to the malibu with the drive shaft and everything they should be same length
and then i could build up the 350 really nice and fast but idk thats a thought
i for sure am not going to keep the el camino so moving all that stuff to the malibu is a thought its already rebuilt and everything although sounds like one of the valves are knocking
what do you think of this jb
JB2wheeler- G3GM Fanatic
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JB2wheeler wrote:A 2 door Malibu has a 4 inch shorter wheelbase than an Elky, driveshaft would be too long. It could be shortened. JB77malibu77 wrote:yeah i have thought of that too but was just trying to use what i already had you know.... unless i should just take the 350/350 out of my elky and move it to the malibu with the drive shaft and everything they should be same length
and then i could build up the 350 really nice and fast but idk thats a thought
i for sure am not going to keep the el camino so moving all that stuff to the malibu is a thought its already rebuilt and everything although sounds like one of the valves are knocking
what do you think of this jb
oh well is there another car thats more commonly found that i could use the driveshaft? or if i have to cut it that wouldnt be a problem
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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Cutlass, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Lemans, Regal, Century. Monte's and Grand Prix's have a longer wheelbase also, but the extra length is in front of the engine. Make sure the doner car is a 2-door, because the 4-door cars have the same wheel base as the el camino with the length added to the rear of the car.
bigredlaguna- G3GM Senior Member
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I may Have a drive shaft in garage from the Laguna someone measure the length of theres and that will tell me if its for the elky or the Laguna I had
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yeah but that would cost a fortune to ship i was thinking of going to a u-pull-it and measure them to see if they will work
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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depends where your at ?? and no it would cost less to ship than a U PULL IT would charge for it and you dont have to lay on the ground in the mud taking it off
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yeah but plus the price you want for it, i think it would be easier to find a cheap g3 with a motor/trans/ and the driveshaft and maybe a few other parts here and there
time will tell, i dont want to just buy the driveshaft now without the motor or trans you know? say i go with the th400
time will tell, i dont want to just buy the driveshaft now without the motor or trans you know? say i go with the th400
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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ok I was actually gonna donate it to get it the F**K outta my garage but thats kewl I will find someone else that wants it
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yeah thx for the offer appreciate it
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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ok heres my thoughts
1. use th 350 trans weighs less then th400 and unless drag racing why haul the weight
2. the horse power torque difference of 350ci and 400ci sbc not that much difference just beware 400 heads have steam ports in them and can be problematic. and after market 400 heads arent cheap if you can find
3. if you have extra 350 block clearence it for 400 cranck and bore it .030 through some 9.1cr pistons and mild cam have 383 stroker tons of torque good hp and with mild build and factory 3.08 rear end gears fair gas milage
no these are my own humble opinion. use 400 block and 350 cranck with .030 bore and have 377 (revs to the moon)
1. use th 350 trans weighs less then th400 and unless drag racing why haul the weight
2. the horse power torque difference of 350ci and 400ci sbc not that much difference just beware 400 heads have steam ports in them and can be problematic. and after market 400 heads arent cheap if you can find
3. if you have extra 350 block clearence it for 400 cranck and bore it .030 through some 9.1cr pistons and mild cam have 383 stroker tons of torque good hp and with mild build and factory 3.08 rear end gears fair gas milage
no these are my own humble opinion. use 400 block and 350 cranck with .030 bore and have 377 (revs to the moon)
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btw. cost me $100 buck at inland truck parts to shorten driveshaft in my monte (long shaft th350 but can put th 400 in also just swap yokes)
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dragons_lair59 wrote:ok heres my thoughts
1. use th 350 trans weighs less then th400 and unless drag racing why haul the weight
2. the horse power torque difference of 350ci and 400ci sbc not that much difference just beware 400 heads have steam ports in them and can be problematic. and after market 400 heads arent cheap if you can find
3. if you have extra 350 block clearence it for 400 cranck and bore it .030 through some 9.1cr pistons and mild cam have 383 stroker tons of torque good hp and with mild build and factory 3.08 rear end gears fair gas milage
no these are my own humble opinion. use 400 block and 350 cranck with .030 bore and have 377 (revs to the moon)
i might end up buying this 350 block from my neighbor for 100-150$
but honestly i dont know anything about building a motor
i can change some parts and stuff but thats about it
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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ok so i am actually going to buy this engine block for 150 and his friend is going to bore it over for me for a few extra
so any help or tips would be appreciated to an unexperienced engine builder
so any help or tips would be appreciated to an unexperienced engine builder
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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How complete is the engine? You said engine block. That implies to me that it is just the block with no internal parts or heads.
In order for anyone to give you advice relevant to your situation we need to know where you are starting from, what kind of driving you will be doing, budget, etc. otherwise we're throwing darts while wearing a blindfold.
In order for anyone to give you advice relevant to your situation we need to know where you are starting from, what kind of driving you will be doing, budget, etc. otherwise we're throwing darts while wearing a blindfold.
bigredlaguna- G3GM Senior Member
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well i already explained all of that in the beginning
its just the engine block nothing else
it will be my daily driver, id like to stay in the "cheap" category but id like to get some good torque and horsepower out of it and also good fuel economy
sounds crazy i know but can this is why i choose a 350 to do this too
its just the engine block nothing else
it will be my daily driver, id like to stay in the "cheap" category but id like to get some good torque and horsepower out of it and also good fuel economy
sounds crazy i know but can this is why i choose a 350 to do this too
77malibu77- G3GM Senior Member
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I would go for this rotating assembly for a 383
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SCA-1-92005-1/
Heads- if you want new.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12558060/
Some one around here could probably cut you a deal for some used heads, but you may have machine shop costs that would be close to the same as new heads.
One of these manifolds
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these cams
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these carburetors. 750 may be too big, but a 383 might need it anyway, even with a small cam.
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
I think for what your goals are, that a properly rebuilt Quadrajet would be perfect.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SCA-1-92005-1/
Heads- if you want new.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12558060/
Some one around here could probably cut you a deal for some used heads, but you may have machine shop costs that would be close to the same as new heads.
One of these manifolds
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these cams
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these carburetors. 750 may be too big, but a 383 might need it anyway, even with a small cam.
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
I think for what your goals are, that a properly rebuilt Quadrajet would be perfect.
bigredlaguna- G3GM Senior Member
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thanks thats something to think about!
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If you can locate a 90-93 700r4 (these were built with much stronger and much improved internals than earlier years) you can swap one into your malibu, that way you have overdrive for even better mileage and it bolts straight to a 350 block. If you need to shorten you drive shaft already, you can have it shortened for the 700r4 instead for no extra money. Plus the 700r4 should fit right in your car, and is almost as easily and cheaply built as a th350. Trust me I've built a couple of them, they're almost bullet-proof and were built in very large numbers. As a cherry on top they use the yokes already in your car. Teamed with then engine above you'll have yourself car that should scoot along really well, and get pretty good mileage to boot. If you can fight the temptation to put you foot down now that you have a great engine under the hood now!bigredlaguna wrote:I would go for this rotating assembly for a 383
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SCA-1-92005-1/
Heads- if you want new.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12558060/
Some one around here could probably cut you a deal for some used heads, but you may have machine shop costs that would be close to the same as new heads.
One of these manifolds
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these cams
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these carburetors. 750 may be too big, but a 383 might need it anyway, even with a small cam.
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
I think for what your goals are, that a properly rebuilt Quadrajet would be perfect.
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Malicruiser wrote:If you can locate a 90-93 700r4 (these were built with much stronger and much improved internals than earlier years) you can swap one into your malibu, that way you have overdrive for even better mileage and it bolts straight to a 350 block. If you need to shorten you drive shaft already, you can have it shortened for the 700r4 instead for no extra money. Plus the 700r4 should fit right in your car, and is almost as easily and cheaply built as a th350. Trust me I've built a couple of them, they're almost bullet-proof and were built in very large numbers. As a cherry on top they use the yokes already in your car.bigredlaguna wrote:I would go for this rotating assembly for a 383
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SCA-1-92005-1/
Heads- if you want new.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12558060/
Some one around here could probably cut you a deal for some used heads, but you may have machine shop costs that would be close to the same as new heads.
One of these manifolds
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these cams
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
One of these carburetors. 750 may be too big, but a 383 might need it anyway, even with a small cam.
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
I think for what your goals are, that a properly rebuilt Quadrajet would be perfect.
A 2004r has some advantages also.
1) Same length as a th350- no need to shorten a driveshaft or change the location of the crossmember, but it does use a 400 style yoke.
2) Gear ratios are the same as a th400 with the benefit of a 0.67/1 overdrive.
3) Most cases had a dual pattern bellhouse so you can use Chevy or BOP engines.
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bigredlaguna wrote:
A 2004r has some advantages also. <<<====== I HAVE ONE IN THE GARAGE LOL
1) Same length as a th350- no need to shorten a driveshaft or change the location of the crossmember, but it does use a 400 style yoke.
2) Gear ratios are the same as a th400 with the benefit of a 0.67/1 overdrive.
3) Most cases had a dual pattern bellhouse so you can use Chevy or BOP engines.
WOOT WOOT NOW I KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS TRANS LOL
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